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		<title>What Do We Do With Anger? Walter Brueggemann On The Psalms Of Vengeance</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Faulkner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone once said that most of the Bible speaks to us, but the Psalms speak for us. Enter the famed Old Testament scholar Walter Brueggemann: HT: the Pastors&#8217; Weekly email from ChurchLeaders.com. Brueggemann proposes there are three things we can do with our anger when something unjust has happened to us: 1. We can act [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4256&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone once said that most of the Bible speaks to us, but the Psalms speak for us. Enter the famed Old Testament scholar <a title="Wikipedia: Walter Brueggemann" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Brueggemann" target="_blank">Walter Brueggemann</a>:</p>
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<p>HT: the Pastors&#8217; Weekly email from <a title="ChurchLeaders.com: Videos for Pastors: Why Do the Psalms Cry Out to God for Vengeance?" href="http://www.churchleaders.com/pastors/videos-for-pastors/158374-walter-breuggmann-why-do-the-psalms-cry-out-to-god-for-vengeance.html?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Pastors-Weekly" target="_blank">ChurchLeaders.com</a>.</p>
<p>Brueggemann proposes there are three things we can do with our anger when something unjust has happened to us:</p>
<p>1. We can act it out &#8211; but surely Christians don&#8217;t want to do that;<br />
2. We can deny it &#8211; but then it comes out somewhere else, perhaps in our family;<br />
3. We can give it to God.</p>
<p>It is that third way which he says is present in the &#8216;imprecatory Psalms&#8217;.</p>
<p>I love Brueggemann&#8217;s illustration of the parent who has to deal with two children, where one has been hurt and accuses the other of having caused the injury. The wise parent doesn&#8217;t say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t be angry,&#8221; but, &#8220;Let me deal with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet so often I see options 1 and 2. I see option 1 in the way some Christians support aggressive international policies by their governments. I see option 2 among those Christians who know they need to forgive, but mistakenly think that means denying their anger. Brueggemann is right, it does come out somewhere else. Either they take it out on an innocent party, or on someone who has only wronged them a little. Or they suppress it and it turns into something like depression. (Not that I am saying all depression is caused this way &#8211; it isn&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>Option 3 is the &#8216;healthy option&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Be Yoda, Not Luke Skywalker: How To Craft A Memorable Presentation</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Faulkner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a thought-provoking talk by Nancy Duarte, the woman who designed the slides for Al Gore&#8217;s film &#8216;An Inconvenient Truth&#8216;. See what you think about her idea of cycling between &#8216;What is&#8217; and &#8216;What should be&#8217;, leading to a final climax promising future bliss: Today I&#8217;m writing my sermon for Sunday. I think part of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4221&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought-provoking talk by <a title="Nancy Duarte" href="http://www.duarte.com/" target="_blank">Nancy Duarte</a>, the woman who designed the slides for Al Gore&#8217;s film &#8216;<a title="IMDB: An Inconvenient Truth" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0497116/" target="_blank">An Inconvenient Truth</a>&#8216;. See what you think about her idea of cycling between &#8216;What is&#8217; and &#8216;What should be&#8217;, leading to a final climax promising future bliss:</p>
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<p>Today I&#8217;m writing my sermon for Sunday. I think part of the passage might lend itself to the &#8216;What is&#8217;/'What should be&#8217; dichotomy. Would it work for all sermons, though? Opinions?</p>
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		<title>Mark Driscoll And The Mars Hill Churches: When Discipline Becomes Control Becomes &#8230; ?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Faulkner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am recently on record as having grave reservations about Mark Driscoll&#8216;s teaching and attitudes to those he disagrees with. But as goes the man, so goes the church and group of churches he has founded. Here are some gruesome links. The stories are so consistent. Matthew Paul Turner tells in two parts the story of a [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4192&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am recently on record as having <a title="Big Circumstance: Mark Driscoll And Jeremy Clarkson: A Blog From The Brits" href="http://bigcircumstance.com/2012/01/13/mark-driscoll-and-jeremy-clarkson-a-blog-from-the-brits/" target="_blank">grave reservations</a> about <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Mark Driscoll" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">Mark Driscoll</a>&#8216;s <a title="Big Circumstance: Mark Driscoll: The Christianity Magazine Interview Is Published" href="http://bigcircumstance.com/2012/01/17/mark-driscoll-the-christianity-magazine-interview-is-published/" target="_blank">teaching and attitudes</a> to those he disagrees with. But as goes the man, so goes the church and group of churches he has founded. Here are some gruesome links. The stories are so consistent.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/matthew-paul-turner.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-4197" title="Matthew Paul Turner" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/matthew-paul-turner.jpg?w=604" alt=""   /></a>Matthew Paul Turner tells in <a title="Matthew Paul Turner: MARK DRISCOLL’S CHURCH DISCIPLINE CONTRACT: LOOKING FOR TRUE REPENTANCE AT MARS HILL CHURCH? SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE" href="http://matthewpaulturner.net/jesus-needs-new-pr/mark-driscolls-church-discipline-contract-looking-for-true-repentance-at-mars-hill-church-sign-on-the-dotted-line/" target="_blank">two</a> <a title="Matthew Paul Turner: MARK DRISCOLL’S ‘GOSPEL SHAME’: THE TRUTH ABOUT DISCIPLINE, EXCOMMUNICATION, AND CULT-LIKE CONTROL AT MARS HILL" href="http://matthewpaulturner.net/jesus-needs-new-pr/mark-driscolls-gospel-shame-the-truth-about-discipline-excommunication-and-cult-like-control-at-mars-hill/" target="_blank">parts</a> the story of a young man who confessed to sexual sin and sought help, but who was then placed under draconian discipline with a &#8216;contract&#8217; that could be described as voyeuristic. When he deems it unfair, he is removed from Mars Hill&#8217;s social network and those in his home group are told not to associate with him and are even given a form of words to say, indicating their assent to Mars Hill&#8217;s decision. Frankly, the way they put words into the mouths of people could come from North Korea.</p>
<p>A couple <a title="The Wartburg Watch: Mark Driscoll’s Mars Hill-A Tutorial on Spiritual Abuse" href="http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/01/25/mark-driscolls-mars-hill-a-tutorial-on-spiritual-abuse/" target="_blank">separately</a> <a title="Unreformed: RE.GENERATION - My Experience Inside The Cult of Mars Hill" href="http://twocleareyes.blogspot.com/2012/01/mars-hill-altar-of-doctrine-and-occult.html" target="_blank">tell</a> of the pressures they were put under by church leaders when they decided to leave a <a class="zem_slink" title="Mars Hill Church" href="http://www.marshillchurch.org" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Mars Hill church</a>, even though they tried to do so diplomatically. Detailing Scripture just isn&#8217;t good enough in a church that likes to talk more about correct doctrine than Jesus.</p>
<p>Earlier, when another member <a title="WENATCHEETHEHATCHET: BHT: Are we seeing pride going before destruction?" href="http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/01/bht-are-we-seeing-pride-going-before.html" target="_blank">queried</a>why he was being asked to shun a sacked staff member when he doesn&#8217;t see evidence of the kind of outright sin that would lead to ostracisation in the New Testament, he is told by an elder, &#8221;When dad and mom are having an argument the kids don&#8217;t need to know what&#8217;s going on.&#8221; The church member concludes,</p>
<blockquote><p>So when dad and mom live off the tithe checks given by the children they don&#8217;t have to explain why dad decides to fire mom?</p></blockquote>
<p>Later, his membership covenant (which has to be renewed every few years &#8211; a strange kind of covenant that, he observes) is voided by the elders.</p>
<p>Time and again, if you click on these links, you will see people are using words like &#8216;control&#8217;, &#8216;spiritual abuse&#8217; and &#8216;cult&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/bill-kinnon.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4198" title="Bill Kinnon" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/bill-kinnon.jpg?w=300&#038;h=178" alt="" width="300" height="178" /></a>Bill Kinnon understandably <a title="Bill Kinnon: Lord Of The Flies Religion" href="http://kinnon.tv/2012/01/lord-of-the-flies-religion.html" target="_blank">asks</a> why that bastion of the neo-Reformed movement, the <a class="zem_slink" title="The Gospel Coalition" href="http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Gospel Coalition</a>, hasn&#8217;t spoken out against Mars Hill. Driscoll is one of their <a title="The Gospel Coalition: Council members" href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/about/council-members" target="_blank">council members</a>, and they have had resignations before on grounds of doctrinal controversy, as Bill points out. But what does Driscoll have to do for that to happen? Let&#8217;s suppose that actually it&#8217;s being addressed behind closed doors. If so, that would be a good start. But this has gone on for a long time now. The sacking of two key leaders (one of whom was the person to be ostracised in the last story above) happened in 2007. It&#8217;s unthinkable to consider that any such measures were still at the first level of New Testament discipline, the private stage.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/paul-gascoigne.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-4199" title="Paul Gascoigne" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/paul-gascoigne.jpg?w=604" alt=""   /></a>Why, then, is there a conspicuous silence in the public arena? Could it be that Driscoll is the poster boy of the movement, untouchable due to the numbers he and his churches draw in? Could it be that he is regarded rather like a mercurial and talented footballer who is something of a rebel, when he might be more like a <a title="Wikipedia: Paul Gascoigne" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gascoigne" target="_blank">Paul Gascoigne</a> character, out of control?</p>
<p>And if Driscoll&#8217;s friends can&#8217;t deal with this, who can? Is it surprising that in desperation some outside that camp (either always outside or, like those above, people who have left) raise strong voices?</p>
<p>Those of us who are critical nevertheless have the responsibility not to lower ourselves to the standards we find objectionable in Driscoll in the way we speak out. We have to be careful that the fear we have for the damage that we believe is being done to people and will be done to Christian witness does not make us act out of fear and hence just lash out. If we do, it just gives an excuse for Mars Hill/Driscoll to say, there you are, look at how our opponents behave. It is hard not to be cynical and sarcastic, though, but we must guard against it.</p>
<p>Yet on the other hand, to be too soft is to give in. What else would those who exercise control want than to make people fearful to criticise?</p>
<p>Then there is the question not only of tone, but of language. Are words like &#8216;cult&#8217;, &#8216;spiritual abuse&#8217; and &#8216;control&#8217; unfair? If the evidence above is at all reliable (and the consistency tells us something, I think) then certainly we&#8217;re talking about control issues, and that raises the issue of &#8216;why?&#8217;. You can&#8217;t help thinking about fear and power, maybe a combination of the two, a fear of power being undermined, perhaps. If the structure is hierarchical, with all vision and pronouncements coming down from on high as if Driscoll has descended from Sinai carrying two stone tablets, then anything that questions that approach is not an isolated problem, but an attack on the foundations. And jolly good, too, because no frail mortal can cope with that kind of elevation. Even Moses didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/marc-dupont.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4200" title="Marc Dupont" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/marc-dupont.jpg?w=300&#038;h=300" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a>What about spiritual abuse? Fifteen years ago, near the end of a difficult phase in my life, I heard <a title="Marc Dupont Ministries" href="http://marcdupontministries.org/" target="_blank">Marc Dupont</a> speak on the subject, and I bought his book, &#8216;<a title="Amazon: Marc Dupont, Walking Out of Spiritual Abuse" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Walking-Spiritual-Abuse-Marc-Dupont/dp/1852402199/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1327759818&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Walking Out of Spiritual Abuse</a>&#8216;. Helpfully &#8211; in my opinion &#8211; he draws lessons from King Saul. On the one hand, the people of Israel got the king they deserved, because they rejected seeking the face of God in favour of having a charismatic personality. If that doesn&#8217;t ring alarm bells in all sorts of ways on today&#8217;s church scene, I don&#8217;t know what does.</p>
<p>But on the other side was the character of Saul himself. He looked the part, but his fears and insecurities led him into control and manipulation. At the conference where I heard Dupont speak, he talked about the incident where Saul is picked out as king. You may recall how Samuel &#8216;drills down&#8217; through tribes and families before finally picking him out. Dupont pointed out that it says that Saul was found &#8216;hiding in the baggage&#8217;, and while the ancients didn&#8217;t use the notion of &#8216;baggage&#8217; metaphorically as we do and so this is strictly bad exegesis, we can say from painful experience that it often is people with &#8216;baggage&#8217; who cause spiritual abuse. As he says in the first chapter of the book,</p>
<blockquote><p>Most leaders who end up with a harsh and demanding style of leadership are not individuals who would <strong>deliberately</strong> hurt others. (Page 13, author&#8217;s emphasis)</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mark-driscoll.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4091" title="Mark Driscoll" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mark-driscoll.jpg?w=300&#038;h=202" alt="" width="300" height="202" /></a>Could it be that Mark Driscoll is a man with unresolved baggage? He has owned up to fair amounts of difficulties in his marriage. Is he a man who wants to see many people come to Christ? Might it therefore be that this is a man with deeply good intentions, but whose emotional pain has led to the founding of a chronically misshapen church, leading to the problems described in the testimonies cited at the beginning of this post? On this basis, the accusation of spiritual abuse is possible &#8211; religious power misused in a way that consistently harms others, and done so by a wounded person who has been elevated to the level of celebrity, one place where a Christian minister probably never should be.</p>
<p>The most contentious allegation, though, is that of &#8216;cult&#8217;. This is a loaded term for Christians. It is a term often applied to religious movements that are essentially heretical deviations from Christianity, such as the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, the Mormons or Christian Science. However, these should more properly be regarded as heretical <em>sects</em>, not cults. Or it is applied to heretical groups that engage in spiritual abuse &#8211; the Children of God, the Moonies and the like &#8211; and perhaps end in extreme dangerous devotion to the leader, such as David Koresh at Waco or Jim Jones at Jonestown.</p>
<p>On the surface, Mars Hill&#8217;s devotion to neo-Reformed theology still puts it in the Christian mainstream, which is why I can raise issues about whether the Gospel Coalition is doing anything about one of its Council members. But some cults began with orthodox Christian leaders who then deviated &#8211; David Berg of the Children of God could be a case in point here. Mars Hill cannot be regarded as unorthodox, and many of its currently contentious doctrines have been held by large numbers of Christians for a long time. Theologically, it would be wrong for Christians to call it a cult.</p>
<p>However, there are other definitions of &#8216;cult&#8217; that operate not merely theologically but more sociologically. Is there intense devotion to a particular individual other than Christ? Are there behavioural patterns enforced which lead to, or are based on, a sense of superiority or exclusiveness? Exclusivity can be ruled out, due to associations with other Christian leaders such as John Piper and Terry Virgo (and, presumably, the Gospel Coalition leaders), even if they come from a fairly narrow field.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/scot-mcknight.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4201" title="Scot McKnight" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/scot-mcknight.jpg?w=300&#038;h=200" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a>Even here, then, it is hard to justify using the word &#8216;cult&#8217; of Mars Hill, but it must be admitted that the warning signs are there in the intimidatory and manipulative tactics to which those who have left testify. Authoritarianism certainly seems to be present, and if you read the ten signs of authoritarianism that <a title="Scot McKnight: Worldly leadership in the church" href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2012/01/27/worldly-leadership-in-the-church/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatheosJesusCreed+%28Blog+-+Jesus+Creed%29http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2012/01/27/worldly-leadership-in-the-church/" target="_blank">Scot McKnight quotes from Wade Burleson</a>, you will see a number of similarities.</p>
<p>But given these warning signs, the only right thing to do is to continue to raise the alarm. Today, much of that is going to mean doing so on the Internet.</p>
<p>I repeat: I do not think Mark Driscoll is evil. I think he has good intentions. He wants many to find Christ. He wants a disciplined church. He wants healthy relationships and for young men to be responsible. He wants to preserve the historic Gospel. All these things are honourable. I disagree with some of his emphases, as I do with some of what the Gospel Coalition stands for. I do not believe that Calvinism is the pure Gospel. Nor do I believe that the arc of Scripture points to a complementarian view of relationships, or to a view of hell as eternal conscious torment. I believe in substitutionary atonement, but I believe other images of the atonement also come into play in the New Testament. I also believe the Gospel Coalition intends well (I should point out that another of their council members is an <a title="Gospel Coalition: Colin Smith" href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/index.php?/resources/name-index/a/colin_smith" target="_blank">old friend</a>), although my expression of evangelical Christianity differs from theirs in almost exactly the same ways, and I have severe ideas with a sense that anything other than their exposition of the Christian message is unsound, just as Driscoll tends to label his detractors as automatically &#8216;liberal&#8217;.</p>
<p>Yet &#8230; for all the sincere intentions with which I believe Driscoll and Mars Hill started out, the combination of what looks like a possibly wounded (or maybe &#8216;<a title="Bill Kinnon: Lord of the Flies Religion" href="http://kinnon.tv/2012/01/lord-of-the-flies-religion.html" target="_blank">undiscipled</a>&#8216;, using Bill Kinnon&#8217;s word) leader and a church celebrity culture makes for an explosive mixture. And when it does explode &#8211; quite regularly, it seems, because it is also volatile &#8211; great damage is caused. And for that reason, those of us who are concerned must keep raising our voices.</p>
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		<title>On Making The Most Of Your Life: A Lesson From Bill Gates And Steve Jobs</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill Gates was recently interviewed on the Nightline TV show in the USA. He had some interesting things to say about the effect Steve Jobs&#8216; death had on him. Here is an extract from one report: Gates is now no longer the world&#8217;s richest man, having given much of his money away. Since 1994, the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4175&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/bill-gates.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4178" title="Bill Gates" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/bill-gates.jpg?w=240&#038;h=300" alt="" width="240" height="300" /></a><a class="zem_slink" title="Microsoft: Bill Gates bio" href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/bio.mspx" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Bill Gates</a> was recently <a title="Yahoo! News: Bill Gates on Using His Money to Save Lives and Fix U.S. Schools, and Steve Jobs" href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/newsmakers/bill-gates-using-money-save-lives-fix-u-235256838.html" target="_blank">interviewed</a> on the <a class="zem_slink" title="Nightline" href="http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Nightline</a> TV show in the USA. He had some interesting things to say about the effect <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Steve Jobs" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">Steve Jobs</a>&#8216; death had on him. Here is an extract from <a title="PC Advisor: Bill Gates reveals how Steve Jobs inspired him" href="http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3332985/bill-gates-reveals-how-steve-jobs-inspired-him/?cmpid=HTML-DN260112&amp;olo=daily%20news" target="_blank">one report</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Gates is now no longer the world&#8217;s richest man, having given much of his money away. Since 1994, the Gates Foundation has given grants totalling more than $26bn to various charities and projects. But Jobs&#8217; death served as a reminder to Gates that he needed to push on with his philanthropic efforts, he said in the interview.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, it&#8217;s very strange to have somebody who&#8217;s so vibrant and made such a huge difference and been kind of a constant presence, to have him die. It makes you feel like, &#8216;Wow, we&#8217;re getting old.&#8217; I hope I still have quite a bit of time for the focus I have now, which is the philanthropic work.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And there&#8217;s drugs we&#8217;re investing in now that won&#8217;t be out for 15 years &#8211; malaria eradication, I need a couple of decades here to fulfill that opportunity. But, you know, it reminds you that you gotta pick important stuff, because you only have a limited time.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/michael-hyatt.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-4179" title="Michael Hyatt" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/michael-hyatt.jpg?w=257&#038;h=300" alt="" width="257" height="300" /></a>Christians may have eternity, but we only have this life to make a difference. Do we need that sense of urgency and prioritisation that Gates outlines here? I was thinking about that recently when going through a few months&#8217; worth of blog posts by <a title="Michael Hyatt" href="http://www.michaelhyatt.com" target="_blank">Michael Hyatt</a>. He talked one day about <a title="Michael Hyatt: How to avoid the power of the drift" href="http://michaelhyatt.com/how-to-avoid-the-power-of-the-drift.html" target="_blank">how to avoid the power of the drift</a>. The next day he asked, <a title="Michael Hyatt: Are you living your own dream or someone else's?" href="http://michaelhyatt.com/are-you-living-your-own-dream-or-someone-elses.html" target="_blank">are you living your own dream or someone else&#8217;s?</a></p>
<p>How easy it is to stop being intentional about our lives. He made me pause. Is my life just going by, because I just do the day-to-day stuff and don&#8217;t think about the longer term? It&#8217;s easy to do when you&#8217;re caught up in busyness and pressure. I realised I&#8217;d got as far as knowing some of the things I <em>don&#8217;t</em> want to achieve in ministry &#8211; most of which involve a distaste for climbing the greasy pole of the religious hierarchy. But I hadn&#8217;t fully explored the obverse. What are the positive things I want to do and to contribute? What gifts can I offer that will make a difference?</p>
<p>I realised that &#8216;ordinary&#8217; circuit ministry only goes part of the way to answering that question. I enjoy it and I don&#8217;t disdain it, but I need something more on top. I&#8217;d still like it to be have an academic slant, but the doors aren&#8217;t open at present.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/the-artists-way.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4180" title="The Artist's Way" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/the-artists-way.jpg?w=249&#038;h=300" alt="" width="249" height="300" /></a>I can write, though, and if you&#8217;ve wondered why the number of blog posts has been increasing lately, that&#8217;s the reason. Some might think that writing is a poor relation to Gates&#8217; philanthropy, but words have power to sway hearts and minds. And yes, I need to back up words with my own actions.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve been starting by trying to use the down time I&#8217;m allowed each day (our big bad rule book encourages us to spend up to an hour a day away from ordinary ministry) to research and write a blog post, such as this one. At the very least that will be good discipline. I&#8217;ve ordered a book that is recommended in some circles to help explore the more creative side of my personality &#8211; <a title="Amazon: Julia Cameron, The Artist's Way" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Artists-Way-Discovering-Recovering-Creative/dp/0330343580/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1327670179&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">The Artist&#8217;s Way</a> by <a class="zem_slink" title="Julia Cameron" href="http://www.theartistsway.com/" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Julia Cameron</a>, and happily that came in the post today. So let&#8217;s see how we go!</p>
<p>But it has to be a question for each of us: are we maximising the gifts we have been given and following our call to change some corner of the world? We may not have Gates&#8217; billions, but in other ways we have all that and more.</p>
<p>So &#8211;  how are we making a difference? Have we started? Why not? Let&#8217;s drop the excuses.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[All sorts of jobs have particular pressures today. My work as a minister certainly has. There is all sorts of pressure against whatever might be regarded as failure: * In the light of numerical church decline, many churches are looking for a hero to ride over the horizon and come to their rescue. I have [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4150&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/failure.gif"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4151" title="Failure" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/failure.gif?w=242&#038;h=300" alt="" width="242" height="300" /></a>All sorts of jobs have particular pressures today. My work as a minister certainly has. There is all sorts of pressure against whatever might be regarded as failure:</p>
<p>* In the light of numerical church decline, many churches are looking for a hero to ride over the horizon and come to their rescue. I have seen Methodist profiles where circuits explicitly seek a minister &#8216;with a proven record of church growth&#8217;.</p>
<p>* In a culture where we are increasingly regarded as employees in principle, even if not (yet?) legally &#8211; appraisals and reviews, &#8216;letters of understanding&#8217; about new appointments &#8211; people think they can have their say, and if they don&#8217;t think ministers are meeting their expectations &#8211; whether they are reasonable or not &#8211; they turn the screw.</p>
<p>* It is seen in other professions. Politicians think they can harvest extra votes by more quickly dismissing &#8216;failing&#8217; teachers.</p>
<p>* Alongside the above reasons, there are cases where a minister has behaved in a manner unbecoming of their calling, and the church authorities have glossed it over.</p>
<p>* The opposite has happened: a congregation has been allowed to get away with bullying its minister, and the church hierarchy has been more interested in preserving a fictional facade of niceness that a wounded minister limps off elsewhere, or maybe is lost to the ministry.</p>
<p>* As implied in the last point, there is a culture of &#8216;pretend&#8217;, if not of outright dishonesty, that pervades too many churches, which makes it difficult for people, ministers especially, to be open and vulnerable about their fears.</p>
<p>In the light of all this and more, an American pastor called J R Briggs organised a conference last year called the <a title="Epic Fail Pastors' Conference" href="http://www.epicfailpastorsconference.com/" target="_blank">Epic Fail Pastors&#8217; Conference</a>, and he&#8217;s <a title="J R Briggs: EPIC FAIL PASTORS CONFERENCE 2012: FOR FAILURES, LOSERS &amp; SCREW-UPS" href="http://www.jrbriggs.com/epic-fail-pastors-conference-2012-for-failures-losers-screw-ups/01/" target="_blank">doing the same again this year</a>. It&#8217;s in the USA, so my expenses won&#8217;t quite stretch, so I won&#8217;t be there (although apparently last year one delegate flew from Australia). They are deliberately not meeting in a flash convention centre in a fashionable city. They aren&#8217;t announcing any big names. Much of the schedule is taken up with &#8216;time together&#8217;.</p>
<p>I nearly typed that I wished them a &#8216;successful&#8217; conference, but that would open up an interesting conversation about what truly constitutes success. But I do wish all the participants healing, hope and peace.</p>
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		<title>The Long, Slow Lingering Death Of Eastman Kodak</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a day when Eastman Kodak has filed for bankruptcy protection from its creditors, this seems like a poignant (if rather obvious) song: Like Paul Simon, &#8216;I got a Nikon camera.&#8217; But it doesn&#8217;t shoot Kodachrome. It&#8217;s digital. I used to have a 35 mm Canon camera. Sometimes I shot Kodachrome, especially when I visited [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4137&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a day when <a title="BBC News: Eastman Kodak files for bankruptcy protection" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16625725" target="_blank">Eastman Kodak has filed for bankruptcy protection</a> from its creditors, this seems like a poignant (if rather obvious) song:</p>
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<p>Like <a class="zem_slink" title="Paul Simon" href="http://www.paulsimon.com/" rel="homepage" target="_blank">Paul Simon</a>, &#8216;I got a Nikon camera.&#8217; But it doesn&#8217;t shoot <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Kodachrome" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">Kodachrome</a>. It&#8217;s digital.</p>
<p>I used to have a 35 mm Canon camera. Sometimes I shot Kodachrome, especially when I visited the Holy Land in 1989. I got through twenty-nine rolls of Kodachrome 25. The slow ISO was fine in the bright heat, and its pale to neutral colour bias was right for a dusty land. Back in the UK, I used to prefer the bold, green colours of Fuji Velvia, though.</p>
<p>But not any more. It&#8217;s SD cards and Adobe Photoshop Elements for me now.</p>
<p>Kodak was slow to adapt to the culture. It was there at the invention of digital photography, but they refused to bring out what would have been the first digital camera, for fear of damaging their income from roll film. Rather like the church not wanting to offend longstanding worshippers by finding new ways of reaching out to the unchurched, Kodak held back &#8211; and is now withering on the vine. The parallels are disturbing.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s news reminds me of a story I read in the newsletter of the (ironically now defunct) organisation MARC in December 1990. On page 3 of that issue, Bryant Myers told this story:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is a story of a company that manufactured drill bits for over forty years. It had been very successful, but the industry was maturing and profit margins were getting thin.</p>
<p>The son of the founder attended his first senior staff meeting after his father died.</p>
<p>&#8220;What business are we in?&#8221; he asked the older men, who had served alongside his father for many years.</p>
<p>&#8220;We make drill bits!&#8221; came the exasperated answer. &#8220;Our customers need drill bits.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No. Our customers need holes,&#8221; the young man quietly replied. Today the company is again successful. In addition to drill bits, it manufactures lasers that make very precise holes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Kodak&#8217;s business was not film but images. We might not want to talk about the church&#8217;s <em>business</em>, because economic and consumerist metaphors can be dangerous for us. But we do need to ensure that we are concentrating on our core Gospel calling in a way that can speak to people today, and that almost certainly won&#8217;t be in the way it spoke to some of our senior remaining generations.</p>
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		<title>Mark Driscoll: The Christianity Magazine Interview Is Published</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 08:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Faulkner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I received my subscription copy of Christianity magazine yesterday, complete with the now infamous interview with Mark Driscoll, about which I wrote on Friday. In addition to the well-publicised insults to British Christian ministers, a couple more things took my breath away. Justin Brierley pushes Driscoll about some of his more controversial statements, including the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4121&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received my subscription copy of Christianity magazine yesterday, complete with the now infamous interview with <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Mark Driscoll" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Driscoll" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">Mark Driscoll</a>, about which <a title="Big Circumstance: Mark Driscoll And Jeremy Clarkson: A Blog From The Brits" href="http://bigcircumstance.com/2012/01/13/mark-driscoll-and-jeremy-clarkson-a-blog-from-the-brits/" target="_blank">I wrote</a> on Friday. In addition to the well-publicised insults to British Christian ministers, a couple more things took my breath away.</p>
<p>Justin Brierley pushes Driscoll about some of his more controversial statements, including the one where he said he couldn&#8217;t worship a Jesus he could beat up. Brierley points out that Jesus <em>was</em> beaten up &#8211; namely his suffering and death on the Cross. But that&#8217;s actually OK and manly for Driscoll, because that was like the valour of a soldier. (He forgets that a soldier would have been trying to dish out pain and suffering on his enemies, which I guess he might like, but there&#8217;s not exactly any evidence for Jesus doing that.)</p>
<p>But more, he then goes on to the Second Coming and says that the purpose of Jesus coming again is precisely so that he can &#8216;give a beating&#8217;. Well &#8211; yes, Jesus will judge and condemn sin, there will be eternal punishment for the unrepentant (although I disagree with him that it is an eternal, conscious torment &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t take apocalyptic language seriously). But to frame it in terms of Jesus coming to give people a beating is not going to put the right kind of fear of God into people, is it?</p>
<p>The second observation I had is where Driscoll refers to those who do not believe in <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Penal substitution" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_substitution" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">penal substitution</a>. Now let me make it clear that I believe in <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Substitutionary atonement" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitutionary_atonement" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">substitutionary atonement</a>, but I am aware of the dangers in how it is framed and explained. I want nothing to do with those in the &#8216;Young, Restless and Reformed&#8217; camp who explicitly talk of the Cross as a place where God killed Jesus. That says it all about the worst of this teaching.</p>
<p>However, what made my jaw head for the Southern Hemisphere was Driscoll&#8217;s supposed reason for why people reject penal substitution. Is it about concepts of justice or love? No! People reject it because &#8211; wait for it &#8211; it&#8217;s too &#8230; masculine.</p>
<p>So now you know.</p>
<p>Unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>Mark Driscoll And Jeremy Clarkson: A Blog From The Brits</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dave Faulkner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark Driscoll. Jeremy Clarkson. Separated at birth? By the evidence of Driscoll&#8217;s latest rant, maybe. If they ever make an American religious version of Top Gear, he&#8217;s your man. And I mean &#8216;man&#8217;. His response to the furore is fascinating. You can&#8217;t comment on the blog post. What&#8217;s the matter, Mark? Are you afraid those [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4089&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mark-driscoll.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4091" title="Mark Driscoll" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mark-driscoll.jpg?w=300&#038;h=202" alt="" width="300" height="202" /></a><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/jeremy-clarkson.jpeg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-4092 alignright" title="Jeremy Clarkson" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/jeremy-clarkson.jpeg?w=300&#038;h=225" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a><a title="Mars Hill Church: Mark Driscoll" href="http://marshill.com/markdriscoll" target="_blank">Mark Driscoll</a>. <a title="Wikipedia: Jeremy Clarkson" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson" target="_blank">Jeremy Clarkson</a>. Separated at birth? By the evidence of <a title="Christian Today: Mark Driscoll takes aim at the cowards in the British church" href="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/mark.driscoll.takes.aim.at.the.cowards.in.the.british.church/29159.htm" target="_blank">Driscoll&#8217;s latest rant</a>, <a title="Krish Kandiah: Driscoll And Britain" href="http://krishk.com/2012/01/driscoll-pearls-swine/" target="_blank">maybe</a>. If they ever make an American religious version of <a title="Top Gear" href="http://www.topgear.com/uk/" target="_blank">Top Gear</a>, he&#8217;s your man. And I mean &#8216;man&#8217;.</p>
<p><a title="Pastor Mark Driscoll: A Blog For The Brits" href="http://pastormark.tv/2012/01/12/a-blog-for-the-brits" target="_blank">His response</a> to the furore is fascinating. You can&#8217;t comment on the blog post. What&#8217;s the matter, Mark? Are you afraid those cowardly Brits will beat you up online?</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t like the aggressive line of questioning from the journalist. Can I just say the words &#8216;pot, &#8216;kettle&#8217; and &#8216;black&#8217;, Mr Driscoll? I thought you liked men to be aggressive.</p>
<p>And he accuses the journalist of being liberal, because &#8211; amongst other things &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t believe in hell as a place of conscious, eternal torment. So, would you have been man enough to call <a title="Wikipedia: John Stott" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stott" target="_blank">John Stott</a> a liberal to his face in his lifetime for his <a title="Wikipedia: Annihilationism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism" target="_blank">annihilationist</a> views, pal?</p>
<p>As for bemoaning the lack of famous young British Bible teachers, please don&#8217;t get sucked into celebrity culture: a preacher can choose in ambition between making Jesus famous and making themselves famous. You can&#8217;t go for both. If God raises you up to prominence, fine. But that&#8217;s God&#8217;s business, not yours or mine.</p>
<p>Some wonder whether we should take Mark Driscoll seriously. Part of me would like to think of him as Christian comedy, the same way I laugh at Jeremy Clarkson, but not with him. However, ask in any school playground whether you should take bullies seriously. Because this kind of accusation amounts to bullying.</p>
<p>Most of all, what sticks in my throat is the way I see the word &#8216;Pastor&#8217; in front of his name all the time. It&#8217;s Pastor Mark this, it&#8217;s pastormark.tv, and so on. What exactly is pastoral about this behaviour? We all slip. I do. But Driscoll has been <a title="Rachel Held Evans: Mark Driscoll is a bully. Stand up to him." href="http://rachelheldevans.com/mark-driscoll-bully" target="_blank">called out as a bully</a> before, and <a title="The Resurgence: The issue under a lot of stress" href="http://theresurgence.com/2011/07/13/the-issue-under-a-lot-of-issues" target="_blank">his elders have taken him to task</a>. I think it&#8217;s time for a repeat. And a look at why this kind of behaviour keeps recurring.</p>
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		<title>Christingle Service Talk</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tomorrow afternoon we have our annual Christingle service at Knaphill. Our theme is called &#8216;Socks, Sheep and Searching&#8217;. I get to pick up the &#8216;searching&#8217; theme in my talk near the end. This is the PowerPoint I hope to use (provided I haven&#8217;t sent it to the AV team too late). The text of my [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=4006&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomorrow afternoon we have our annual <a class="zem_slink" title="Wikipedia: Christingle" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christingle" rel="wikipedia" target="_blank">Christingle</a> service at <a title="Knaphill Methodist Church" href="http://www.knaphill-methodist-church.com/" target="_blank">Knaphill</a>. Our theme is called &#8216;Socks, Sheep and Searching&#8217;. I get to pick up the &#8216;searching&#8217; theme in my talk near the end. This is the PowerPoint I hope to use (provided I haven&#8217;t sent it to the AV team too late). The text of my talk may not show up below. If it doesn&#8217;t, click the &#8216;Slideshare&#8217; button in the bottom left of the display and that will take you to the site where you can see the notes on a tab below the slides.</p>
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		<title>Employment Rights And Ministers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Methodist Church has lost an appeal against a minister who claims she was unfairly constructively dismissed. To be more precise, Haley Preston is pursuing a case along these lines against the church, and in past times the church could claim that it was not her employer, but that ministers are employed by God. Now [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=bigcircumstance.com&amp;blog=4491245&amp;post=3999&amp;subd=bigcircumstance&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/employment-appeal-tribunal.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-4002" title="employment appeal tribunal" src="http://bigcircumstance.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/employment-appeal-tribunal.jpg?w=300&#038;h=180" alt="" width="300" height="180" /></a>The Methodist Church has <a title="BBC News Cornwall: Methodist minister Haley Preston 'not employed by God'" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-16261998" target="_blank">lost an appeal</a> against a minister who claims she was unfairly constructively dismissed. To be more precise, Haley Preston is pursuing a case along these lines against the church, and in past times the church could claim that it was not her employer, but that ministers are employed by God. Now the Appeal Court has upheld the ruling of an Employment Appeal Tribunal that Mrs Preston was in fact employed by the church, a position which gives her access to redress under employment legislation. Before now, ministers who were dismissed have had no such redress in law. The full judgment is <a title="Bailii: The President of the Methodist Conference v Preston [2011] EWCA Civ 1581 (20 December 2011)" href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2011/1581.html" target="_blank">here</a>. The official Methodist response reads as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>Revd Dr Martyn Atkins, General Secretary of the Methodist Church in Britain said: “The Methodist Church is seeking leave to appeal to the Supreme Court against the judgement that Haley Preston’s (formerly Moore) case is a matter for an employment tribunal. We are treating this matter with great seriousness as something which would affect all of our ministers and the culture of our Church. “The church values all of its ministers, and it is clear to us that relationship cannot easily be reduced to a simple contract of employment. The call to Methodist ministry cannot be treated as just another job &#8211; it is based on a lifetime calling, expressed through a covenant relationship with the Church. “We want to ensure that we treat everyone fairly and properly and all of our ministers have rights of redress under existing Church procedures. We are committed to caring for all who serve the Church, whether lay or ordained, paid or volunteer.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The point of the &#8216;covenant&#8217; language is that there is a mutual covenant between church and minister. Ministers give up a home to go where the church stations them; in response, the church provides a stipend (a living allowance &#8211; not a salary) and a manse. In court the Methodist Church tried to invoke Human Rights law to the effect that religious conscience should have prior claim over employment law. The Appeal Court called this &#8216;moral poverty&#8217;. It appears that the church has added things to the covenant from the world of secular employment, such as appraisal, supervision and holidays, and these are now regarded as evidence by the courts in support of ministers being in a contractual situation, in addition to or instead of a covenantal one.</p>
<p>The covenant is good when it works. However, it can go wrong on either side. A minister can be treated badly by a congregation, circuit or other body; equally, a minister can mistreat a church or individuals. I do not know what happened in Mrs Preston&#8217;s case, and even if I did it would be wrong to comment, especially when the legal process has still not finished. Clearly, though, she feels aggrieved. However, it is a tragedy when Christians have to invoke the law in order to deal with each other, something Paul told the Corinthians in his First Epistle to their shame.</p>
<p>At this point I simply want to tease out the pros and cons if ministers do end up being treated as employees. In favour is the fact that it would open us up to clear protection in employment law. It might also make things clearer in cases of incompetent or abusive ministers. Against is the notion that some people would want to tell ministers explicitly what they should be doing, in ways that go against the historic notion that the stipend frees ministers to pray and seek God&#8217;s direction for their work. The introduction of the &#8216;Letter of Understanding&#8217; that circuits give to ministers when an invitation to serve in a new circuit is accepted has pushed in this direction: some circuits start to get quite precise about their expectations of the minister. While accountability is important, it will be hard to be a leader if those we are trying to lead think they can tell us what we should be doing.</p>
<p>Furthermore, should the position be confirmed that we are employees of the church, we shall need to resolve exactly who or which body in the church is our employer. The fears described in the last paragraph could be very real if the employing body was very local. If, on the other hand, it was the Methodist Conference itself, there might be more opportunity for proper safeguards and procedures. It is not that all local lay leaders are dangerous &#8211; far from it! &#8211; but lack of knowledge, experience and skills could be dangerous.</p>
<p>There is a fascinating (but increasingly complex) discussion of this issue going on at the <a title="Facebook: UK Methodists" href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/2211562545/?notif_t=group_activity" target="_blank">UK Methodists</a> page on Facebook.</p>
<p>In the wider context, the trade union Unite (which represents such &#8216;faith workers&#8217; as join it) has been campaigning for a few years now for ministers to be given the same rights as employees. That may not necessarily involve us becoming employees, but being entitled to the same protection. There is a paper explaining their position <a title="Unite the Union: Amicus briefing: The campaign for employment  rights for Faith Workers" href="http://www.unitetheunion.org/pdf/Amicus%20briefing%20on%20the%20employment%20rights%20for%20faith%20workers.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>This is going to run and run, in some form or another. Whatever the final conclusion, it will massively change the relationship between ministers and their congregations. My gut feeling is that it will end with ministers becoming employees in some form or another, because &#8211; as has been said on the UK Methodists Facebook page &#8211; the courts are increasingly taking the line that &#8216;if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it is a duck.&#8217; It is hard to know what fundamental doctrinal reason we could have for resisting employment status, but if we go that route we shall have to be careful and we shall need to be proactive in developing what that relationship could and should be in line with our convictions.</p>
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