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	<description>Dave Faulkner. Husband. Dad. Methodist minister. Pseudo-geek. Music lover.</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, I thought there was only one profile, and different sets of notes to go with it. We had a talk from Heather which was I think a composite of the various notes. But you would need to contact Heather first anyway and get her advice. I think it&#039;s only the notes, not the actual instruments, which you can download for free without talking to her.

Andy, thanks for the link to your blog post, and for the quiz. I remember that tragedy, which had a deep effect on some young people I know who were school friends of the lad who died. On your quiz I come out as &quot;an affective pray-er beyond words&quot;, which makes sense although the thinking, left-brained side of me sometimes wonder if it is a bit of a cop-out for not bothering to put my prayers into words. Or perhaps that&#039;s the opposite pole I am supposed to be fascinated by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I thought there was only one profile, and different sets of notes to go with it. We had a talk from Heather which was I think a composite of the various notes. But you would need to contact Heather first anyway and get her advice. I think it&#8217;s only the notes, not the actual instruments, which you can download for free without talking to her.</p>
<p>Andy, thanks for the link to your blog post, and for the quiz. I remember that tragedy, which had a deep effect on some young people I know who were school friends of the lad who died. On your quiz I come out as &#8220;an affective pray-er beyond words&#8221;, which makes sense although the thinking, left-brained side of me sometimes wonder if it is a bit of a cop-out for not bothering to put my prayers into words. Or perhaps that&#8217;s the opposite pole I am supposed to be fascinated by.</p>
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		<title>By: bigcircumstance</title>
		<link>http://bigcircumstance.com/2009/02/16/sabbatical-day-16/#comment-1353</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter,

I hadn&#039;t heard of the Neethling Brain Instrument, so thank you. It&#039;s hard to know which profile would best fit the ministry situation. Perhaps the general &#039;adult&#039; one or the &#039;leadership&#039; instrument (although I&#039;m cautious about how far you can translate models from companies to the church). Which one did your group take at church?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard of the Neethling Brain Instrument, so thank you. It&#8217;s hard to know which profile would best fit the ministry situation. Perhaps the general &#8216;adult&#8217; one or the &#8216;leadership&#8217; instrument (although I&#8217;m cautious about how far you can translate models from companies to the church). Which one did your group take at church?</p>
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		<title>By: bigcircumstance</title>
		<link>http://bigcircumstance.com/2009/02/16/sabbatical-day-16/#comment-1352</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to Andy, given that the blog mentioned is about to disappear, the book in question is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spiritual-Life-Foundation-Preaching-Teaching/dp/0664255000/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1234883792&amp;sr=1-33&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spiritual Life: Foundation for Preaching and Teaching&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talbot.edu/ce20/educators/view.cfm?n=john_westerhoff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John H Westerhoff III&lt;/a&gt;. According to a review of the book on Amazon, Westerhoff seeks to match certain spiritual practices to particular personality types, albeit without being prescriptive.

Andy&#039;s blog post explores prayer with and without words, and he provides &lt;a href=&quot;http://quizilla.com/users/andygr/quizzes/Schools%20of%20Christian%20Spirituality&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a quiz&lt;/a&gt; based on the following rationale (Andy, I hope you don&#039;t mind me quoting a paragraph or two from the post.):

&lt;i&gt;This is based on my amended version of the typology in John Westerhoff&#039;s &lt;/i&gt;Spiritual Life&lt;i&gt; (Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 1994).   The idea is that all of us have a &#039;home base&#039; spirituality which can be plotted along too axes: one goes from affective to reflective/active (pretty much the same distinction as &#039;F&#039; and &#039;T&#039; on Myers-Briggs; and the other from verbal to beyond words (or if you prefer kataphatic to apophatic, non-mystical to mystical, a mediated knowing God to a direct knowing God, etc).
 
                                                         Active/reflective
                  Active;                                                            Active/reflective,
                  prayer beyond words                                       verbal
 
 
Beyond words                                                                                       Verbal
 
 
                   Affective;                                                        Affective,                                   
                   prayer beyond words                                      verbal
 
                                                             Affective
 
In addition, it&#039;s Westerhoff&#039;s contention (and it makes sense in my experience) that we tend to be fascinated by the diagonally opposite &#039;school&#039; of spirituality as well.  So for example my natural territory is highly emotional and wordy, but I feel a need to balance that with some active &#039;beyond words&#039; prayer.  Anyway, try it.  See if it&#039;s fun.  See if it helps.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Andy, given that the blog mentioned is about to disappear, the book in question is <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spiritual-Life-Foundation-Preaching-Teaching/dp/0664255000/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1234883792&amp;sr=1-33" rel="nofollow">Spiritual Life: Foundation for Preaching and Teaching</a> by <a href="http://www.talbot.edu/ce20/educators/view.cfm?n=john_westerhoff" rel="nofollow">John H Westerhoff III</a>. According to a review of the book on Amazon, Westerhoff seeks to match certain spiritual practices to particular personality types, albeit without being prescriptive.</p>
<p>Andy&#8217;s blog post explores prayer with and without words, and he provides <a href="http://quizilla.com/users/andygr/quizzes/Schools%20of%20Christian%20Spirituality" rel="nofollow">a quiz</a> based on the following rationale (Andy, I hope you don&#8217;t mind me quoting a paragraph or two from the post.):</p>
<p><i>This is based on my amended version of the typology in John Westerhoff&#8217;s </i>Spiritual Life<i> (Louisville, KY: Westminster John Knox Press, 1994).   The idea is that all of us have a &#8216;home base&#8217; spirituality which can be plotted along too axes: one goes from affective to reflective/active (pretty much the same distinction as &#8216;F&#8217; and &#8216;T&#8217; on Myers-Briggs; and the other from verbal to beyond words (or if you prefer kataphatic to apophatic, non-mystical to mystical, a mediated knowing God to a direct knowing God, etc).</p>
<p>                                                         Active/reflective<br />
                  Active;                                                            Active/reflective,<br />
                  prayer beyond words                                       verbal</p>
<p>Beyond words                                                                                       Verbal</p>
<p>                   Affective;                                                        Affective,<br />
                   prayer beyond words                                      verbal</p>
<p>                                                             Affective</p>
<p>In addition, it&#8217;s Westerhoff&#8217;s contention (and it makes sense in my experience) that we tend to be fascinated by the diagonally opposite &#8216;school&#8217; of spirituality as well.  So for example my natural territory is highly emotional and wordy, but I feel a need to balance that with some active &#8216;beyond words&#8217; prayer.  Anyway, try it.  See if it&#8217;s fun.  See if it helps.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirk</title>
		<link>http://bigcircumstance.com/2009/02/16/sabbatical-day-16/#comment-1351</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might be interested in the brain profiles which are done (mostly as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genesis4training.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a business&lt;/a&gt;) by a member of my church. She did this recently for a group of church members including me. This analyses how people think, supposedly at a higher level than MBTI, and is certainly helpful for finding how people fit together into different jobs in the church. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genesis4training.co.uk/brain-profiling.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for more on this. If you mention that you know Mones and me you may well get special attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in the brain profiles which are done (mostly as <a href="http://www.genesis4training.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">a business</a>) by a member of my church. She did this recently for a group of church members including me. This analyses how people think, supposedly at a higher level than MBTI, and is certainly helpful for finding how people fit together into different jobs in the church. See <a href="http://www.genesis4training.co.uk/brain-profiling.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> for more on this. If you mention that you know Mones and me you may well get special attention.</p>
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		<title>By: andy gr</title>
		<link>http://bigcircumstance.com/2009/02/16/sabbatical-day-16/#comment-1350</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tried something relating prayer to personality type, drawing on a book by John H Westerhoff III, some time ago.  Go to http://thedeepend.squarespace.com/prayer-beyond-words/ - but the site is closing in a couple of weeks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried something relating prayer to personality type, drawing on a book by John H Westerhoff III, some time ago.  Go to <a href="http://thedeepend.squarespace.com/prayer-beyond-words/" rel="nofollow">http://thedeepend.squarespace.com/prayer-beyond-words/</a> &#8211; but the site is closing in a couple of weeks!</p>
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